PGDB F*** OFF

[TS]

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come on TS I was enjoying the banter and quips, lets have a witty cleaver brainy reply, lol a disgruntled inspector that moves behind the sceans, sounds like batman and inspector boy, holy pipe spanners batman a new dark hero.....just what the industry needs, love it

Looks like your only in this to gratify yourself through arguing. Meanwhile I'm about achivieving victory on the ground rather than through an internet forum. I'm not a disgruntled inspector. I'm a plumber, gasfitter and drainlayer as well as a happily employed inspector.

[Badger]

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I am stating my case publically and this is but one place that I do this, I do not pick arguments mate, but I don't put up with bullshit either.

I was PUT in this position by those you think are OK and am merely sticking up for myself. I assure you the shit me and my wife have been through brings me no gratification.

So what is your plan for victory on the ground TS? the more people that know the stronger the movement.

I actually hate arguing with fellow tradesman. But I also don't like being robbed of my house, business and reputation and time with my family.

[Thunderhead]

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- this could take 1 - 2 months but if everyone did it - it would have the net effect of with holding money which they need, but not putting yourself at risk of prosecution.

this is why we need to ACT AS ONE robbo because if we all withheld our fees and all continued to practise they would never in anyones dreams prosicute all of us...they would look like a bunch of douchbags if they even thought of trying this...all so the govt would immediatley launch a royal commision of enquiry into why so many trades people had revolted aghinst the system and there we have it the dirty actions of the board brought into the public eye!...as far as i see it robbo we have always had the power not them...they like to think they have the power but it is us on which they survive and so it is us who actually holds the power all we have to do is realise it and act as one unit...Thats why its so damb hard to get at the board because they ACT AS ONE UNIT its about time we act as one unit and wield our power!
if we act as one we will not be touched or finned or prossicuted because our case will sway public opinion a heck of alot stronger that some pokey old board will...just look at the reats revolt in mangawai the council was running for cover once the dirt was brought out into the light...and i know a similar situation will occur with the board esp when we have our wild card badger and all the rotten things of his case brought to the general publics attention...if we cant beat behind closed doors then i say take the fight to the streets... something like that anyways!.

TS may be doing something but i think he has choosen the wrong path as the wheels of the breaucratics move ever so sowly and ts would have passed on(no offence) and i would be an old man before we would see any REAL changes at all.

I would like to see us set a time frame that we as trades people would like this crap cleaned up in and set some deadlines...in essence we need to draw our line in the sand and act on it!

[Badger]

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Perhaps a Federation national advert in the media?

[Jaxcat]

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Great idea - but at a cost of thousands of dollars - they simply don't have the funding.  Remember that although the Federation has pretty close to a thousand members now, there is no fee to join and they survive on donations.  If everyone gave the equivalent of a "pie a week" as suggested by the Federation they may be in a position to fund something like that, but more than likely they would rather use this money to build up a fighting fund for legal representation when they take the PGDB to court as is almost inevitable given how things stand.

[Plumber]

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We are looking at helping and simplifying this even further. Our public shop and soon trade shop will be complete. Every product has a "PGDF margin" built into it. In most cases we are very competitive (its hard fighting the politics of suppliers!) and if not we have alternatives. Your clients wont be disadvantaged price or service wise. I hope to have an update on this in the near future. 

[Jaxcat]

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That would be awesome Plumber!!!

[Plumber]

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Thanks Jaxcat, we cant wait for things to move forward, it's just unimaginable costly and time consuming as you can imagine. I really hope to announce the official launch soon. Doing our best on this end to support the industry!

[Badger]

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Plumber, a Mail order supplies set up with an on line "shop" would be great, thought of selling "shares" to set up mate ...I'd have a piece of that pie.

[peasea]

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Actually TS I do believe that the last decade has dished up a huge shift in attitude from the PGDB towards industry.  This began when Mr Routhan became Board chair and Ms Singleton took over as CEO.  There was a palpable change in attitude and I believe this is when the breakdown and disconnect started with practitioners.  Subsequent Board' s have never quite been totally cleared out and so this sort of collective thinking has carried on over the last few Boards.  I believe that the Minister was well aware of this problem and it wouldn't surprise me if Ms Armstrong wasn't appointed to try and remove certain persons and clear the decks for people to move on.  We did eventually see Mr Routhan removed and registrar and then a subsequent Employment Court hearing - which thankfully was resolved without him getting back as Registrar.  I agree there have always been complaints, but you must agree that they have never been at a level they are now.  This Board has an opportunity to bring industry along with them in assisting them to protect the health and safety of the public and yet they continue to lose trust and faith from the very people that 100% fund them.  They used to operate within a reasonable budget in an office in Alicetown Lower Hutt, but the Routhan/Singleton area saw budgets being blown and reserves spent with gay abandon.  A move to the Terrace was teh beginning of some serious empire building.  I believe that something has to give soon - a lot of industry has got behind the Federation who are working through a lot of issues within a very small budget with no staff - i.e. all the work is done by volunteers on top of their day job.  There are a number of irons in the fire including a petition for a commission of enquiry into the governance of the industry.  You sound like you come from a background of working for a council or govt department so you know that these things are never done with any great speed and have to go through many layers of bureacracy - I say watch this space - as Rachael Hunter says - It may not happen over night, but it will happen.

And for the record, I don't mind if you don't agree with me, I enjoy the debate and the opportunity to understand why people think what they do.  It would be a sad and boring world if we all agreed with each other.

Ms Singleton may have had some influence after she left the PGDB , I bumped into her when I was involved with a fitout at the WN Law society , she had a copy of the draft 2006 act before it was public and offered me a copy to read . She certainly had a high level of interest at the very least , funny how we have a lot of legal people involved with the PGDB these days , Just coincidental I guess .

[Badger]

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The faces change but the course and direction stays the same.........because they source the faces from the same pool of people.

I just got turned down for a place on the Board.

[Badger]

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Over 2000 reads, please see my other posts on this site, a total cover up, and witch hunt, they tried to pin on me......

[Thunderhead]

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for the 6 odd disgruntled plumbers active on this site as TS says that is one hell of a lot of views for the 6 of us 

[Badger]

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share it on facebook too mate, lol,TS...

[Rodza1]

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I reckon, that would have to mean according to TS we each view roughly 333 times to make it look like the topic is getting some heavy action from trades people around nz. As far as im aware I havnt done that.....            Must be a conspiracy though...(sarcasm)