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Offline roberto

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Certifying Drainlayer???
« on: February 20, 2012, 04:36:27 AM »
do we even need this qulification/exam??? never needed before so why now? ill prob be sitting this exam myself one day.....

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Re: Certifying Drainlayer???
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2012, 02:51:34 AM »
Not sure what motivated the change - but as plumbing and gasfitting have certifying status - maybe they thought drainlaying needed it.  It will separate those that design and build from those that carry out the instructions of the person who designs the system.  Certifier will now be the only ones able to sign of consents with the Council where previously obviously licensed drainlayers did.  The system worked pretty well as it was - but someone somewhere obviously thought it was necessary. 
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Re: Certifying Drainlayer???
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 04:36:24 AM »
Its just another level of beaurracy installed to generate money and justify there existance...i rearly dont see much diffrence between licensed and certifying...because as soon as your licensed the boss expects you to do the whole lot anyways design and install...well thats what im doing right now the whole kettle of fish execpt for working out the bill and collecting the money!
I can fully understand the diffrence between apprentise and licensed but i cant see the distinction between licensed and certifying there is no more set unit standards that i have to train for in order to gain certifying...so no distinction...apart from making money for my boss for a further two years lol...So this is a confusing stage of my career sort of in limbo as im fully compentant after 4years of traning to ply my chosen trade yet have to grow moss on my ass for two more years lol.
Ahh well thats life for ya!

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Re: Certifying Drainlayer???
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 09:50:46 AM »
i guess to a certain extent the difference is or rather was the common paper - being more business and employer safety orientated - yet they are now doing away with it

i do believe that to own/operate business some form of training or certification should be required ie a cert in business management or similar (what was covered in common was ideal IMHO)

thunder what sort of work do you partake in? you are designing what you install? are you talking about residential plumbing?


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Re: Certifying Drainlayer???
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 09:54:32 AM »
forget that post - realise you talking bout drainlaying

not sure what the point is in having certifying for that trade other than to streamline all trades to make them the same and grab some additional coin along the way!!!

would not have thought there was enough trade content to warrant it

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Re: Certifying Drainlayer???
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2012, 06:26:34 AM »
Sorry integrated talking about plumbing your first post was correct.
We focus on high end residental and have done multi rise apartments in remuera but most is high end residential work with a sprinkling of maintance/trouble shooting work lightly basted with some commercial factory work.
Plumbing/gas/drainlaying is pretty much the same in theroy...What comes in must go out!...But most of the larger plumbing jobs that i have worked on plans have been drawn up by a hydrolic enginer...but its not too hard you have to factor in proabible demand/ discharge and venting requirments for the type of installation the theroys the same between the three trades and i guess thats why they do plumbing and gasfitting combined i would love to see plumbing and drainlaying combined as a course...But i have never meet a sole drainlayer/gasfitter lol do they exist?

"being more business and employer safety orientated" ...that is a good point what other trades require people to study about business before being able to gain full qual?

Im sort of glad that they have done away with this part...because when the time comes for me i will do my own study on bussiness and employment laws/theroy...When the time comes so the info is new and up to date.
I would be very happy if they drew a clear distinction between licensed and certifying status by installing some more unit standards to learn then i would see clear deffinition between these two stages...maybees a solar course or a multirise design course...just something that says im still climbing the ladder...but just to say there is one exam on what already i should have been taught and a two year stand down time to gain final qual just doesnt sit right with me...but thats just my view.

Sorry if its a bit confused i blame it on the empty bottle of steinlager next to me. ;D

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Re: Certifying Drainlayer???
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2012, 09:00:21 AM »
yeah thunder - I would expect a registered licensed plumber to be able to turn up to a residential job and be able to sort it without too much thought - maybe on some larger homes some specific design may be required - ie flow rates/available head/pipe size etc as well as drain/vent design - thats pretty basic stuff though

In my opinion the "hydraulic engineers" are taking work away from the certifying/craftsman plumbers - theres not much to it really, same as residential just bigger numbers...


the 2yr stand down time between licensed and certifying is to gain a greater amount of on the job experience & maturity


out of interest I did the "study" towards craftsman exam papers and there was alot of very informative legal stuff in it - pretty sure that was through TOPNZ

interstingly also having just completed nzcert solar hot water there were 2 papers dedicated to legal - us11631 & us11633


I hear what ya sayin though - whos to say that because someone has had a 2yr stand down without any additional formal training that they are indeed gaining anything towards certifying status...


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