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Should Anyone be able to sell Gas Appliances on Trade Me?

Yes
8 (25%)
No
5 (15.6%)
Only registered companies should sell Gas Appliances and Plumbing Ware
14 (43.8%)
Gas Appliances should only be supplied to the public by Certifying Gas Fitters
5 (15.6%)

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Offline Plumber

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Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« on: November 16, 2010, 04:23:13 AM »
Gas Appliances and Trade Me.

The Problem we face: Mrs Smith called us the other day to install a fire place she bought on Trade Me. Of course it was cheaper then anywhere else but the problem was we couldn't install it due to the fact the appliance was imported and not registered in NZ. Mrs Smith can now try to get her money back (I don't think that will happen) and pay the right price for the right fireplace.

How do you feel about this? Should anyone be able to sell gas appliances? Should the supplier or Merchant be selling directly to the public? ::)


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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 09:17:36 AM »
hi guys,i believe it would be very difficult to stop anyone from selling gas appliances privately. To prevent the sales on trade-me you would have to stop trade-me from listing them, the problem with buying from an auction is that you are not covered by the consumers gaurantee act, once the auction has started that is,if you use the BUY-NOW price then you will be covered,cheers

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 11:03:52 PM »
Very interesting, did not know that!  :o

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2010, 12:39:55 AM »
We have had some shockers with second hand appliances - cracked heat exchangers, rusty flues and heaters - its real buyer beware stuff.  We get phone calls about appliances prior to people purchasing and always give them some guidelines about questions to ask - but essentially they need to ask themselves why the person would be selling it - usually because it is old, there is something wrong with it or you can't get parts any longer.  I do have to say that we have installed a Vulcan Wall Furnace purchased off TM for a customer.  It was sold by a school who were refurbishing and purchasing energy savers.  The heater was in prime working condition and was a real bargain for the customer, however I think these examples are rare.  I believe Rinnai are selling appliances on Trade Me (of old stock) and probably some of the second tier merchants may well be too.  Tradesmen in business for themselves are undoubtedly doing it as well.  There is one guy who was/is selling Rheem HWC at dirt cheap prices - we only became aware of it when a customer queried our price and gave us the website to visit - stuff was being sold very cheaply - and he was using the merchants freight service to send it to consumers around the country.

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 11:34:18 PM »
HI everyone i believe its a free market so if you want to sell an appliance on trade me or anywhere else thats your choice , the installer then has the choice to install the item, if its not fit or safe to be installed he doesnt do it. If the general public want to waste money on faulty equipment thats there choice.   

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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2011, 06:29:18 AM »
Hard one to say...but in respect to public safety...like cars...gas appliances should be sold as fit for purpose or in running order...and if not then should be sold...as is /where is, needs wof...maybees people who intend to sell gas appliances need to wof that appliance before sale in the name of public safety????? or at least state when the last service was done on the appliance which means a new avenue for gasfitters issuing servicing reports on appliances...its like if you use electric tools on a big building site the gear must be inspected and tagged by a sparky every 6mts/year? the same should apply for ALL gas appliances or gas fixtures to be reinspected every year for safety reasons?????

But i cant see anything like that happening soon....so buyer beware!.

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2011, 07:08:26 AM »
The issue is about public safety really, and as gas appliances are so critical re: condition, suitability for purpose and installation, there should be at the very least, Govt. regulation about the sale as well as the installation of them.

Having said that, there seems to be little about any accidents or fatalities due to the appliances used. It would be interesting to see if there are any stats on that.

One would hope that all gasfitters are as conscientious as the OP in refusing to install anything not registered as legal in NZ.
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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2011, 11:12:01 PM »
i dont think that she will be able to get her money back unless they agreed on a warranty where the seller can replace the item. Maybe the seller has the manual on how to set up the fire place.







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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2011, 11:37:59 PM »
i dont really agree with the general public buying gas appliances but with nz being so small it is proberly the only way to bring the prices down we should make our money on our expertise and not the appliances we sell, example is a radiator 20 pounds in the uk 200 dollers here  this just stops us making our markets bigger ie heating  hand basin in uk 30 pounds  $300 here


so i suppose what im saying is we want to open up our markets but  not allow our labour rates to go down  but to increase

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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 07:06:02 AM »
i dont really agree with the general public buying gas appliances but with nz being so small it is proberly the only way to bring the prices down we should make our money on our expertise and not the appliances we sell, example is a radiator 20 pounds in the uk 200 dollers here  this just stops us making our markets bigger ie heating  hand basin in uk 30 pounds  $300 here


so i suppose what im saying is we want to open up our markets but  not allow our labour rates to go down  but to increase


^^^ I agree^^^


what needs to happen is that any appliance that is imported needs to meet relevent NZ std - if it does not then it should not be allowed into the country

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2011, 03:22:00 AM »
I feel like many other things on trade me the sale of second hand gas appliances cant be easily prevented from continuing, cars, electrical appliances,tools,electronics,property and buildings even, the list would be a long one. Items may be listed as being fit for purpose when in reality they are not...hence why its being sold on. The motor vehicle industry is a major example..ive lost count how many cars ive looked at purchasing and some tool tells me "shes mint as mate'' etc etc...quick checks reveal no water in radiator...low oil level, large amounts of body filler in structual areas especially in classic cars etc,hand brake is out of adjustment,weak clutch or brakes,dodgy transmission etc People can be very mis leading to try make money out of something thats crap and at the end of the day its up to the buyer to know what there buying unfortunately. Very dog eat dog world alright.
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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2012, 03:34:08 AM »
look at it this way explosive material will only be sold to the right person with the right qualifications to prove that they can safely handle this product to the letter of the law...the same should apply with drainage/gas and plumbing products it/they should only be sold to the right person with th e right qualifications that state that that person knows(and is lawfully qualified)to handle that product...just look at mitre10/placemakers/mitre10mega for example they sell tooless pushfit SANITARY plumbing systems and these ARE ONLY marketed at the ILLEGAL home handy man BECAUSE no respectiable plumber would ever use a push fit system behind closed walls...and the same goes for gas fittings and drainage pipe...The question i ask is WHY the hell are these stores able to sell these crap(push fit) systems AIMED ONLY at the home handy man when it is unlawful for the home handyman to undertake this type of work...where the hell is the PGDB when you need them they should be putting pressure on the govt to stop the marketing of these products to joe public in the name of joe publics safety!

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2012, 06:36:11 AM »
Have you asked them Thunder?

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2012, 08:01:50 AM »
hi guys, the Board will and can never stand in the way of big business,cheers

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2012, 08:20:50 AM »
Hi guys, it would be interesting to see the communication that went on between the gas companies/Govt/Board that put a stop to the gas companies being liable to a fine if they supplied gas to a customer without having a copy of the relevant gas certificate for that customer. It just shows the Boards arrogance to think that it can control big business and get away with it; I suppose our famous sacked c.e.o. dreamed that one up,cheers   


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