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EXAM RESULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATION POLICY
« on: November 14, 2008, 10:13:28 PM »
I thought it would be good sharing this experience.

A friend sat the gas exam not long ago and didn't pass with 57 marks (60 to pass).
he thought "surly I can find something they missed" he only needed 3 marks for a pass.
so....
He spent two days pulling the exam appart looking for things the marker could have missed and "YES"
he found at least 8 points he thought would be worth mentioning to the PGDB.
All exited he writes everything down and copies correspondence material such as previous exam answers he used in the exam but didn't get marked for and puts everthing in an envelope and sends it all to the PGDB, not to forget the $100 reconsideration fee he had to pay.
Finally two weeks later he receives the Answer...

Instead of 57 he now had 54 marks.  :o Aye?! The material he sent never got considered and they subtracted marks on questions they had previously marked correctly. I mite not understand much about how you mark exams Mr examinations Officer but I must say why give the marks in the first place if they are apparently wrong and motivate someone with 57 marks to spend his money on the reconsideration. Shocking!! This is the kind of stuff you would hear from people that used to live in east Germany before the wall fell!



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Re: EXAM RESAULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATIN POLICY
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:10 PM »
gutted on that one......the stuff you send in cant be submitted to the re marker for a re-mark PGDB policy, as the re marker cant be influenced.  sounds like the original person to mark the gas exam was on drugs......just like the june plumbing exam...on the boards web site (which still hasnt posted the june 08, examiners report) theres a prescription on mark allocations and where one should concentrate his/her study....20 marks on sanitary stated on their own web site.  and then they ask 4 marks on waste pipes to a gully...check out the 21 marks related to pumps in the june exam....

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Re: EXAM RESAULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATIN POLICY
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2008, 08:56:27 PM »
Wow  :o i have never noticed that! thanx mate now i know what to look out for.

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Re: EXAM RESAULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATIN POLICY
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2008, 09:37:40 AM »
your welcome O0...
thats the reason y only 13.5% people passed the june 08 exams i reckon......but the PGDB are yet to post
the 08 examiners report on thr web site.....even tho the november exams are well and truly over...

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Re: EXAM RESAULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATION POLICY
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2009, 02:28:25 PM »
The same thing happened to me on my Gas fitting reg exam. I sat it and got 57, all i needed to pass was three more questions right which i thought i had which they had missed.
So i sent it in and at the time i think it was $60 to do a reconsider. And to my shock when it came back they had marked three question i had got right WRONG AND then three I had got wrong RIGHT, so my reconsidered mark was STILL 57%.

Thos money hunger PRICKS >:D

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Re: EXAM RESAULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATION POLICY
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 09:35:01 AM »
I remember reading something that i read about what the goverments/ inland revenue/ pgdb. desired. It  was to less issue craftsman licences  thus forcing plumbers to work for companies, and this would help companies grow and be able to become more efficient, create competition amongst the commercial enterprises, bring prices down  etc etc etc.
In other words, easier an tax take for IRD and less tax exemptions (loopholes) for individuals.
 I collected old test papers  from guys who had failed their exams and two things became apparent.one was that  the questions were not reflective of the prescription, ie, alot of questions were not relative to the modern trade, thier weighting was biased, ie, oblique questions carring more points than their worth to the trade. Secondly the marking was inconsistent, I accept that markers will make errors, but when the level of marking between markers varies to the degree as displayed by the PGDB. then thier credibility is of question.
I have no doubt that they display a level of incompetence they wish to keep hidden.
Their biggest fault was corporatisation of the board developing an elitist attitude towards plumbers and assuming a sense of power over  plumbers.

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Re: EXAM RESULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATION POLICY
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2009, 06:45:42 AM »
Looking over exam papers and comments posted it seems to me that there is a lot of frustration out there. In defence of the board remember they are a politically selected board. What are the masters, Ministers, demanding. Also I sat my exams 20 -25 yrs back Apart from health and safety issues it is pretty similar to what my generation sat. I refuse to beleive that the young guys coming through now are thicker than what we were.
I ask the question what has changed since I did my apprenticeship. My opinion is the education these young guys are receiving. There is no standard, who teaches the teachers as i beleive most teachers have to do a degree or diploma course. The tutors at the techs are mostly tradesmen who receive no training or a tiny amount of training how to teach.
Aparently this has been acknowledged by the present board and things are underway to address this. I feel for you guys who are struggling but hang in there. Instead of b****ing and moaning maybe letters to the minister and MPs might stirr things up.
I wait in hopeful anticipation.

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Re: EXAM RESULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATION POLICY
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2009, 01:33:27 AM »
Hi Dog.

I hear what you are saying

I'm really interested in what pass rates are in all the exams.

Also, some answers to questions in the exams.
I believe they are after "word for word" explainations to some questions.
Thats bullshit if it is the case.
We are Plumbers with a extreme experience and knowledge, not to mention quite an understanding of plumbing/gas/drainlaying regs and standards. Also H&S Acts etc.

It must seem obvious to the markers that the guys know the answers, but can't explain them exactly, yet on site, they know just what to do.

In OZ, the examiners (so to speak) will pass you on what you get right, then assist you on things you get wrong. That way you pass and are more knowledgabe.

I could go on and on.........

All I'm saying is that plumbers should be encouraged and assisted where possible.

The PGDB should not be creating problems, but trying to sort them out.

This is a protected trade which is fantastic. But it should not excessively cost our time and expense.

NZ really has to step forward and support trades like Australia does.
Born to fish - forced to work!

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Re: EXAM RESULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATION POLICY
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2009, 10:31:21 PM »
you are right, but the Board supports itself, with our ever increasing fees, you do know that the govt,cullen sacked the whole board back in 2005 i think it was, over a spat between the board and the training institutes,problem was he kept the the man in charge who seems to set the agenda the board members just agree with the b.s. Anyway it made no difference we have another bunch of idiots to make the same mistakes.

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Re: EXAM RESULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATION POLICY
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2009, 03:43:59 PM »
The plumbing trade has a  shortage of skilled labour, and industry figures are clashing over who is responsible.
Their wrangling follows a Government move yesterday to sack all nine members of the Plumbers, Gasfitters, and Drainlayers Registration Board.
Some plumbers believe the Industry Training Organisation (ITO) has performed poorly and is in need of an overhaul. Others say they stand whole-heartedly behind it.
And the managing director of a separate trade organisation has attacked the ITO system, saying a return to the old ways is needed.
Tertiary Education Minister Michael Cullen announced yesterday's board sacking. A new board was appointed by Associate Minister of Health Damien O'Connor.
The sacking appears to be a response to the falling number of people coming into the trade, despite $24 million being spent on training over the past six years.
An independent report was the catalyst for Dr Cullen's reaction.
The report, from lawyer Hazel Armstrong, said the relationship between the registration board and the ITO was "dysfunctional".
Dr Cullen said many apprentices had passed the ITO national certificate but failed the board's registration exam.
The managing director of the Design Association of New Zealand, Ralph Hill, said the ITO system, introduced by the Government in the 1990s, was flawed.
New Zealand had turned its back on a "perfectly good" system of training apprentices which had worked for at least 60 years, Mr Hill said.
New Zealand tradespeople were on a "downward spiral" in breadth of skill and knowledge.
The average age of skilled technicians was now in the 50s and 60s.
This is old news now but still relevant today.

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Re: EXAM RESULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATION POLICY
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2009, 11:08:33 PM »
Wow, I cant believe that happend! didn't they just sack the board a few years ago? What did they improve? I really hope they didn't sack them to just replace them with bigger Bureaucrats!! I'm worried about whats coming next! I think the board shouldn't handle exams at all! They can have a say but the training institutes need to look after all the exams. That's how training works everywhere in the world >> You go to school or Uni and learn subject >> then you sit your exams based on what you were taught in the school/Uni >> If you need help your tuter or trainer can help >> once you complete your exams and training >> you get your qualification! You don't go to school and then sit your exam at a different institute that asks you questions you don't know how to answer, then you get it wrong and no one tells you what you did wrong and why. Who Helps?? The Board?? NO! I have to call my tuter and ask him and his answer is as always the same in regards to the board "Those wankers, I don't know what they are after" maybe "this" or maybe "that" For crying out loud Isn't there anyone out there that can solve this dilemma with the PGDB???  :-\

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Re: EXAM RESULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATION POLICY
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2009, 11:18:13 AM »
How can you have teachers who have not reached craftsman status? plumbing is about experience... these teachers don't have enough experience...
by the way same thing happened to me in pgdb exam... but i eventually passed anyway so stuff you pgdb board!!!!
the pgdb board staff should be audited and do cpd every year and pay an annual registration fee... thern we'll see who's crying!

How can the pgdb board audit gasfitters every 2yrs.. what a waste of time!!!
The rest of the industry re: appliance retailers, gas retailers, customers dont know the laws and they dont care.....
Why should we be responsible... the Ess cant regulate every little descrepancy......

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Re: EXAM RESULTS AND THE PGDB'S RECONSIDERATION POLICY
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2009, 01:03:15 PM »
There are alot of plumbers with craftsman licences that wouldnt know if there arse caught fire. there is a drive for trade excellence but an off shoot is only exam passers get tickets. some of the best plumbers  i've worked with dont have tickets. with 30 years in the trade, im aware that  teaching plumbing is a skill,its  often thankless, and  often isnt profitable.
 At Polytech. some teachers have tickets and spout allsort of crap to really show how much they know and how clever they are, that is not important. What is, is getting information into students heads, information that will teach the student how and why things are so, so that they will be able to apply that to their trade, whilst they are working  or planning  etc.
I believe the responsibility lies with the board to write exams that test relevant knowledge, that explores what the candidate knows and that test a candidates ability to solve problems.
I dont believe the exams do that at present


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