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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #810 on: June 18, 2018, 08:54:09 AM »
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 30 April 2018 9:31 p.m.
To: 'info@ombudsman.parliament.nz'; 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'comms@pgdb.co.nz'; 'PGDB Competency Based Licensing'; 'ceo@pgdb.co.nz'; 'exams@pgdb.co.nz'; 'gascerts@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Hannah Neville'; 'jayson@pgdb.co.nz'; 'licensing'; 'overseas@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Registrar'; 'accounts@pgdb.co.nz'
Cc: 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Andrew Little'; 'Julia Minko'; 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'; 'phil.twyford@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'lynnmoff'; 'Faculty of Law'; 'Winston Peters'; 'Kaitlin Ruddock'
Subject: RE: PGDB reply to my complaints 2018 03 13



Dear Ombudsman,

Please see attached a report complied by the Plumber’s Federation which shows 9 people of interest ignored by the PGDB and the sham of an investigation I was subjected to.

I want to clarify that, with this information attached; the “Office for Fairness for All” is still of the opinion that I was treated fairly and that these documents show fairness, natural justice and if any moral compass is present at all? If I wasn’t treated fairly…..why do you do nothing?

And Martin while I have your ear, please can you reply to my email below?

Yours with Integrity

Paul Gee

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #811 on: June 18, 2018, 08:57:19 AM »

They don't care you know about all this.....while they pontificate about honesty, fairness, and the wellbeing of the trade.....what does that make them?

Dodgy hypocrites ? Hmmmmm......


From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2018 8:53 a.m.
To: 'Paul & Emma Gee'; 'info@ombudsman.parliament.nz'; 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'comms@pgdb.co.nz'; 'PGDB Competency Based Licensing'; 'ceo@pgdb.co.nz'; 'exams@pgdb.co.nz'; 'gascerts@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Hannah Neville'; 'jayson@pgdb.co.nz'; 'licensing'; 'overseas@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Registrar'; 'accounts@pgdb.co.nz'
Cc: 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Andrew Little'; 'Julia Minko'; 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'; 'phil.twyford@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'lynnmoff'; 'Faculty of Law'; 'Winston Peters'; 'Kaitlin Ruddock'
Subject: RE: PGDB reply to my complaints 2018 03 13

Dear Ombudsman and PGDB,

Why can you answer these questions? Please see emails below.

Please can you tell me why 9 people of interest are ignored, the guilty walk free and the innocent are persecuted. Is this a precedent that you want to set for the NZ public and the gasfitting and plumbing industry?

I will you take your silence as a yes. You should be aware that your silence is “done” in front of the industry, also the people copied in your silence is also noted by the well over 75 thousand views of your non action. Please see link below….

https://www.plumbers.co.nz/forum/fellow-practitioners-update/41/fellow-practitioner-issue-236-dated-12-december-2014/1810/msg11348;topicseen

Yours with Integrity Paul Gee

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #812 on: August 13, 2018, 06:20:43 AM »
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From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 13 August 2018 6:17 a.m.
To: 'Paul & Emma Gee'; 'info@ombudsman.parliament.nz'; 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'comms@pgdb.co.nz'; 'PGDB Competency Based Licensing'; 'ceo@pgdb.co.nz'; 'exams@pgdb.co.nz'; 'gascerts@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Hannah Neville'; 'jayson@pgdb.co.nz'; 'licensing'; 'overseas@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Registrar'; 'accounts@pgdb.co.nz'
Cc: 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Andrew Little'; 'Julia Minko'; 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'; 'phil.twyford@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'lynnmoff'; 'Faculty of Law'; 'Winston Peters'; 'Kaitlin Ruddock'
Subject: RE: PGDB reply to my complaints 2018 03 13




I have received no replies to these emails….so I am guessing that a system of governance that stands by telling untruths when someone is nearly killed by a preventable explosion which then blames the innocent and lets the guilty go free is all ok with you? Protecting them selves before the NZ public?

You should all go take a good look at yourselves.

Yours with Integrity Paul Gee



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #813 on: August 13, 2018, 06:27:30 AM »


I have heard that apparently now the PGDB have changed their policy to prevent excessive emails....from unreasonable people....


Here is an idea.....answer the questions.....that's reasonable....



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #814 on: September 30, 2018, 10:52:43 AM »
S there is a shortage of Plumbers and Gasfitters......


Martin Sawyers, chief executive of the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board, said one of the biggest issues was that not enough businesses were taking on the apprentices that were available.
"Only 30 per cent of the industry take on apprentices and that is one of the key blockages," he said.
"But the solution to the current shortage of plumbers is multifaceted."
That included encouraging school leavers to enter the profession as well as recruiting internationally, Sawyers said.




How about clearing my name......I am a craftsman Plumber and Gasfitter....I even have an electrical license.......the shortage is multifaceted apparently.....but the PGDB's ego and cover up of their mistakes is worth more to them than getting this sorted.....



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #815 on: December 19, 2018, 09:22:32 PM »
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2018 9:16 p.m.
To: 'Paul & Emma Gee'; 'Tatsuhiko Koyama'; 'Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern'; 'ju@parliament.govt.nz'; 'raymond.huo@parliament.govt.nz'; 'northshore@parliament.govt.nz'; 'ginny.andersen@parliament.govt.nz'; 'chrisbishopoffice@parliament.govt.nz'; 'mark.mitchell@national.org.nz'; 'Greg.OConnor@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Nick.SmithMP@parliament.govt.nz'; 'duncan.webb@parliament.govt.nz'; 'trevor.mallard@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Hon Andrew Little'; 'A Little Office (MIN)'; 'Stuart Nash'; 'stuart.nash@parliament.govt.nz'; 'David Clark'; 'David Clark'; 'david.parker@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Mike.bush@police.govt.nz'; 'BINKS, Elizabeth'; 'Serious Fraud Office'; 'Chief Justice'; 'inquiries@lawsociety.org.nz'; 'ContactUs'; 'commission@ssc.govt.nz'; 'enquiry@oag.govt.nz'; 'infoline@hrc.co.nz'; 'Courtofappeal@justice.govt.nz'; 'supremecourt@justice.govt.nz'; 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'; 'lynnmoff'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'Allan Day'; 'Emma Gee'; 'theprojectnz@mediaworks.co.nz'
Cc: 'K.Davis@ministers.govt.nz'; 'office.davis@parliament.govt.nz'; 'grant.robertson@parliament.govt.nz'; 'nanaia.mahuta@parliament.govt.nz'; 'hauraki.waikato@parliament.govt.nz'; 'megan.woods@parliament.govt.nz'; 'megan.woodsmp@parliament.govt.nz'; 'chris.hipkins@parliament.govt.nz'; 'kris.faafoi@parliament.govt.nz'; 'mana.electorate@parliament.govt.nz'; 'selwynoffice@parliament.govt.nz'; 'nathan.guy@national.org.nz'; 'michael.woodhouse@national.org.nz'; 'anne.tolley@parliament.govt.nz'; 'hamish.walker@national.org.nz'; 'metro@sfchronicle.com'; 'ctc-tribletter@chicagotribune.com'; 'newsdesk@smh.com.au'; 'mcgrory@globe.com'; 'tips@nytimes.com'; 'LawDean@auckland.ac.nz'; 'jessica.palmer@otago.ac.nz'; 'neil.boister@canterbury.ac.nz'; 'ursula.cheer@canterbury.ac.nz'; 'mark.hickford@vuw.ac.nz'; 'front.desk@aic.gov.au'; 'ti@transparency.org'; 'Eva Lu'; 'wjp@worldjusticeproject.org'; 'Wayne Rumbles'; 'morningreport@radionz.co.nz'; 'Nicky Hager'; 'contact@newsroom.co.nz'; 'Radio NZ'; 'theprojectnz@mediaworks.co.nz'; 'news@newshub.co.nz'; 'TVNZ'; 'stuff.co.nz'; 'newstips@alliedpress.co.nz'; 'editorial@investigatemagazine.com'; 'Andrew Straw'; 'mail@michaelkirby.com.au'; 'enquiries@pco.gov.uk'; 'bizpost@scmp.com'; 'Web_inquiry@foreign.senate.gov'; 'correspondence@ustr.eop.gov'; 'aucklandacs@state.gov'; 'cecilia-malmstrom-contact@ec.europa.eu'; 'delegation-new-zealand@eeas.europa.eu'; 'foi-dpa.imd@fco.gov.uk'; 'fcocorrespondence@fco.gov.uk'; 'ud.registrator@gov.se'; 'redaksjonen@dss.dep.no'; 'nzchinaembassy@gmail.com'; 'singov_webmaster@mci.gov.sg'; 'Canadian High Commission Wellington'; 'consular@wl.mofa.go.jp'; 'info@wellington.mfa.gov.il'; 'Grace Haden'; 'Gordon McNab'; 'Paul King'; 'Eric Marchant'; 'Lynette Stevens'; 'Donald Howie'; 'Mona Cliffe'; 'Gavin Hillary'; 'Blossom lightdancers'; 'RangiMarie aka Lady Justice'; 'Inness York'; 'rkg100@protonmail.com'
Subject: Cover up of a near fatal explosion

Martin, CEO of the Plumbers Board,



I would like to formally and publically complain about you and the way my case has been handled. I formally ask for natural justice to be served and observed.

All I ask is to clear my name….I have done nothing wrong and formally request both documents attached be tabled at your next PGDB meeting, I would also formally request that I be made privy to what comment is passed at that meeting.

We are now living in an avoidable housing shortage where (and please bear in mind the attached documents) we have thousands of except licensed gasfitters….I ask you all to inquire what this means from Martin, I am lead to believe it means exempt from training, exempt from an apprenticeship being served or exempt from any repercussions. This is not forgetting the swath of people working unlicensed and under the radar, but it appears a blind eye can be turned when it suits, this sort of planning for our countries future will most definitely come to bit you firmly in the arse. Can you trust these people with the safety of NZ public….I have very good reason to believe you most definitely can not.

Imagine the leaky homes fiasco….but with a mixture of flammable gas and carbon monoxide poisoning with a dash of legionnaires disease. We have had several near misses and a few deaths…..wake up….the laws of chemistry and physics dictate an incident will occur regardless of who you know and the blatant cronyism that abounds.

A man nearly died in an explosion that I had spent 6 years trying to prevent….only to be set up as the scape goat for that explosion….please see attached.

I ask all you esteemed people copied in…..should this happen in a true democracy where the public wellbeing should come before the pigs in the trough and their egos?



Please reply to all Martin. Your answers, and that of those involved, to date are an embarrassment to natural justice, logic, common sense, civility and fair play.


I am still yet to be explained what relevance child sexual abuse case notes have in a plumbing disciplinary…these were suffered by my wife when she opened them (unmarked of their sickening and vile content) just before we lost our home and she was forced to live in a caravan for a whole winter, with my two sons who were 3 and 5 at the time (while I was forced to work away, and still do to this day). My Wife was forced to collect drinking water and empty a chemical toilet at the Takaka local i-site, all done in front of the people we once served with our plumbing business. These same people, did then and still do to this day, think I am responsible for nearly killing someone in a gas explosion.


Jacinda, Prime Minister…..your a working Mum…..how do you think my wife felt doing this….she is a working Mum too….the Labour party is meant to be pro worker….where is that ethos today?



Yours Sincerely Paul Gee.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #816 on: December 19, 2018, 09:25:59 PM »
From: Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern [mailto:Jacinda.Ardern@parliament.govt.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2018 9:17 p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Subject: Automatic reply: Cover up of a near fatal explosion

Kia ora,
 
Thanks very much for taking the time to get in touch with Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
We appreciate your email. Because of the large number of emails we receive each day, you may not receive a response immediately.








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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #817 on: December 19, 2018, 09:30:03 PM »


Because of the large number of emails we receive each day, you may not receive a response immediately.

I hope there are not a lot like mine!

Have a great Christmas and New Year.....I am working, away....just want my name to be cleared.....is that too much......JUST WANT MY LIFE BACK AND MY WIFE TO RECEIVE AN APOLOGY FOR BEING TERRORISED BY COWARDS.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #818 on: January 31, 2019, 07:42:19 AM »
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2019 7:28 a.m.
To: 'Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern'
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; 'Registrar'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'comms@pgdb.co.nz'
Subject: Paul Gee



Dear Prime Minister,


Please can you acknowledge receipt of these documents attached?

I just want my life back; I am forced to work away from my family and only ask to clear my name.

The home that we were forced to live in was un-sellable due to the state of disrepair (I have worked very hard to rectify this), I have been forced to work away since the kangaroo court I was subjected to. I have now managed to get work nearer to home but am away for the working week only returning home for the weekends, I have missed so much of my son’s childhoods that it makes me feel guilty I could not be there for them more.

My wife was terrorised by spineless bullies. I will address this, if you will not.

All I ask is for one simple answer……do you think we deserved to be treated like this? 9 people of interest ignored, while an innocent man is persecuted and my wife sent child sexual abuse case notes in a plumbing context, just before she lost her home….really?   You asked Obama how to deal with guilt….just don’t do anything that feels wrong, it is that simple.



I have copied in Wal Gordon, my advocate and the PGDB. Wal is one is the most selfless stalwarts of the industry and has been proven right more then wrong (I am still trying to think of a time he has been wrong)….his warnings have gone unheeded …. If people had listened and not let ego and personal agenda get in the way…..NZ would be in a much stronger position with regards to the trades.

You need someone like Wal on the Board, I understand there is a position coming up…..if Wal hasn’t applied already, you should ask him to apply.

Paul Gee




From: Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern [mailto:Jacinda.Ardern@parliament.govt.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2019 7:29 a.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Subject: Automatic reply: Paul Gee

Kia ora,
 
Thanks very much for taking the time to get in touch with Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
We appreciate your email. Because of the large number of emails we receive each day, you may not receive a response immediately.
While you are waiting for a reply, here's a list of links that may help you find what you’re looking for:





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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #819 on: January 31, 2019, 08:11:39 AM »



You can be reasonably sure that the Prime Minister has these documents and does nothing......how safe do you feel while running your business? You'll be left alone while you are in need......but what about after when the work dries up and the cronies use this tool of corruption to take out the opposition.....make as much hay as you can under this sun.....so you can fund a legal battle.....but when the playing field is uphill and the ref only applies the rule book to you, and if they loose they take their ball home and tell untruths about you....all the money in the world will not save you.....

They will empty your bank accounts and then ignore you......I know this, this is not an opinion.


I was the Nelson Master Plumber President......don't think connections will protect you......if it suits the cowards to go you, they will......spineless cowards hiding in the shadows.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #820 on: February 11, 2019, 07:10:50 PM »
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From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2019 7:07 p.m.
To: 'J Ardern (MIN)'
Cc: 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'
Subject: RE: Paul Gee


Hi Dinah,

Thank you for taking the time to respond, I have contacted Jenny Salesa many, many times before and nothing has been done.

I need to clear my name; I am at the end of my tether. I still work away from home and out of my chosen trade….for what?......for corrupt individuals who think more of their cronies and their reputations than the safety of the NZ public, the public’s safety who they have been entrusted with. It is so very wrong.

You must ask yourselves……Are you happy with this sort of cover up, the dodgy dealings and corrupt  victimisation and awful treatment of an innocent person and his family…. all done at a risk to the safety of NZ people in their homes? Please tell me what relevance child sexual abuse case notes have in a plumbing context…….my wife opened these, just before we lost our home……is this ok by you?


There is one thing you can easily do and that is put Wal Gordon on the PGDB, I think he has put in an application for the available position on the Board, a Board that could do with a large dose of integrity, Wal is definitely your man for this.


Paul Gee

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From: Arna Thornton [mailto:Arna.Thornton@parliament.govt.nz] On Behalf Of J Ardern (MIN)
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2019 3:58 p.m.
To: gspservices@xtra.co.nz
Subject: RE: Paul Gee



Dear Paul Gee

I am writing on behalf of the Prime Minister, Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern, to acknowledge your email of 31 January 2019 concerning your request for assistance. Please be assured your comments have been noted.

As the issue you have raised falls within the portfolio responsibilities of the Minister for Building and Construction, Hon Jenny Salesa, your email has been forwarded to the Minister's office for consideration.

Thank you for writing to Jacinda.


Dinah Okeby
Office of the Prime Minister



 
 
From: Sophie Slater
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2019 11:19 AM
To: Stephen Tat <Stephen.Tat@parliament.govt.nz>; Dinah Okeby <dinah.okeby@parliament.govt.nz>
Subject: RE: Paul Gee
 
 
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2019 7:28 AM
To: Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern <Jacinda.Ardern@parliament.govt.nz>
Cc: wal.gordon <wal.gordon@xtra.co.nz>; 'Registrar' <Registrar@pgdb.co.nz>; complaints@pgdb.co.nz; comms@pgdb.co.nz
Subject: Paul Gee
 
 
 
Dear Prime Minister,
 
 
Please can you acknowledge receipt of these documents attached?
 
I just want my life back; I am forced to work away from my family and only ask to clear my name.
 
The home that we were forced to live in was un-sellable due to the state of disrepair (I have worked very hard to rectify this), I have been forced to work away since the kangaroo court I was subjected to. I have now managed to get work nearer to home but am away for the working week only returning home for the weekends, I have missed so much of my son’s childhoods that it makes me feel guilty I could not be there for them more.
 
My wife was terrorised by spineless bullies. I will address this, if you will not.
 
All I ask is for one simple answer……do you think we deserved to be treated like this? 9 people of interest ignored, while an innocent man is persecuted and my wife sent child sexual abuse case notes in a plumbing context, just before she lost her home….really? You asked Obama how to deal with guilt….just don’t do anything that feels wrong, it is that simple.
 
 
 
I have copied in Wal Gordon, my advocate and the PGDB. Wal is one is the most selfless stalwarts of the industry and has been proven right more then wrong (I am still trying to think of a time he has been wrong)….his warnings have gone unheeded …. If people had listened and not let ego and personal agenda get in the way…..NZ would be in a much stronger position with regards to the trades.
 
You need someone like Wal on the Board, I understand there is a position coming up…..if Wal hasn’t applied already, you should ask him to apply.
 
Paul Gee

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #821 on: February 16, 2019, 02:36:30 PM »


So who does our minister Jenny Salesa side with? It is her portfolio......

"Who do you side with, who do you all side with?……corrupt self serving cowards or a well meaning man who put others safety first and tried to warn about all this for 6 years before being shafted and set up for what he was trying to prevent."


SIX YEARS I WARNED ABOUT DODGY CERTS COVERING ALTERED DANGEROUS GAS WORK.....

THEN WE HAD AN EXPLOSION......


SO THE PGDB APPOINT TO INVESTIGATE THAT EXPLOSION......THE SAME PERSON WHO GIFTED MY OLD BOSS ( WHO MOST IF NOT ALL THE EVIDENCE POINTS TO )......HIS FULL CERTIFYING GAS FITTING LICENSE WITH NO APPRENTICESHIP SAT AFTER ONE ORAL EXAM.....AS (AND THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE )......THE IMPARTIAL INVESTIGATOR.....HAHAHAHAH WHAT A JOKE.


ALL DONE IN THE FACE OF ALL THESE FACTS, PROVIDED AND PRESENTED TO THE PGDB AT A "IMPARTIALITY" HEARING , HELD JUST BEFORE THE KANGAROO COURT........WHERE THE INVESTIGATOR'S MATE CLOSED DOWN THE KANGAROO COURT JUST BEFORE i WENT 100% INNOCENT......TOSSER.


BASICALLY ARE YOU HAPPY WITH CORRUPTION OR ARE YOU GLAD THERE IS CORRUPTION.....THERE IS NO " FENCE SITTING "......







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From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2019 11:01 a.m.
To: 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'
Cc: 'Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern'; 'chris.hipkins@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'
Subject: Action

Hi Jenny,

Please can you let me know what action you are going to take with the corrupt way my family were terrorised? Please see what happened and a report of the kangaroo court attached.

 As you know the Prime Minister has passed this to you, please see attached.

Please know that your action/inaction is done in front of the industry, I have posted a lot of information on a Plumbers forum, it can be found on this link-

https://www.plumbers.co.nz/forum/fellow-practitioners-update/41/fellow-practitioner-issue-236-dated-12-december-2014/1810/msg11348;topicseen

It has near 84 thousands “reads”.

I see the ITO is being overhauled….. good on the Labour Party for doing so, it is a start….the shocking state of affairs the trades are in needs addressing, but if the head is rotten it is futile…. as it will soon revert back to where we are now if the pigs aren’t removed from the trough. Apparently even recently going on international junkets to promote trade training in Mandarin….they can’t get it right in plain English…it is embarrassing.

The PGDB have been sacked before, you have this power.

The problem is when they were sacked the people chosen to replace them, came from the same mindset. I equate it to a flock of geese, flying it the same direction, just the lead few changed…..the main body of the flock still fly in the same direction with the same agenda. When the front few were dismissed…..their cronies stepped in and the mess continued on the predetermined path of greed and power. Nothing was fixed…..the results are what we are left with today.

We need people like Wal Gordon on the PGDB. I will let his record speak for itself. Have a look and point out to me where he was wrong. I can not find one instance.

Who do you side with, who do you all side with?……corrupt self serving cowards or a well meaning man who put others safety first and tried to warn about all this for 6 years before being shafted and set up for what he was trying to prevent.

I look forward to your reply.

Yours with Integrity
Paul Gee




From: Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern [mailto:Jacinda.Ardern@parliament.govt.nz]
Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2019 11:02 a.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Subject: Automatic reply: Action

Kia ora,
 
Thanks very much for taking the time to get in touch with Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
We appreciate your email. Because of the large number of emails we receive each day, you may not receive a response immediately.
While you are waiting for a reply, here's a list of links that may help you find what you’re looking for:
Beehive website
The Prime Minister’s Facebook page
The Prime Minister’s Twitter page
Full list of Ministers
 
We hope one of the above links helps answer your question! In any case, we'll get back to you as soon as possible.
Thanks again.
Authorised by Jacinda Ardern MP, Parliament Buildings, Wellington

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #822 on: February 16, 2019, 11:20:20 PM »
After my family was terrorised for 2 years of persecution, lies and untrue letters sent to my customers.....after totally dismissing 42 charges  out of 44 at a biased kangaroo court.....this is how my last charge was dealt with........this was days before Bickers (a twat) went in my local paper and quoted me as saying "I am just a mere plumber".....but couldn't show me where I said it......


The Final Minutes
14. 152 The final three minutes of the hearing held against Mr. Gee were probably the most
telling that appear to have been ignored. Mr. Hammond the Investigator under
Cross Examination by Mr. Gordon regarding Malvern Avenue. Here is the copy from
the transcript:
Q. That's fine. Now, the second thing I have just to clarify and you're talking about Part 1
and Part 2 of the Act. Now Part 1 is what must be done, what you must comply with?
Page 131 of 137
A. Part 1 is the mandatory requirement.
Q. Mandatory requirement, yes, and Part 2 is a way of compliance?
A. That's correct.
Q. Now, the reason I was asking about that, because on page 35 of the edition I have here,
1.5.7, it meanings about flue terminals and in the second paragraph of that section it
reads: "Flue terminals shall be located to minimise entry of combustion products into
any building and to minimise the effects of adverse draft on the performance of the gas
appliances". So in reading that, if there's no gas entering into a building, then it
complies with Part 1?
A. Yes, the aim of that is to make sure that gas does not enter into the building.
Q. So that's the aim of it, so if there is no gas, say in this case we've got two situations
where people are saying there's no gas entering, then according to that paragraph then
it complies with Part 1 of the Act?
A. No, I don't rely on consumers whether the gas was entering or not, it is the gas fitter's
job to locate it in such a way that gas does not enter the building.
Q. But that's what it's saying here though isn't it, it's saying that if the flues aren't entering
the building then it complies with Part 1?

A. Yes, but -
Q. And if the customers are saying fumes aren't entering the building then it's compliant
with Part 1?
A. But in order to ensure that under all conditions products of combustion do not enter into
the premises, then one way of complying is to ensure that the clearances are in
accordance with Part 2. If you are putting in an appliance with clearances other than
those in Part 2, then you need to demonstrate how the - how you have ensured that
under all conditions the products of combustion can't enter the property.
Q. That doesn't say "in all conditions" there. Does it say in here "all conditions"?
A. No it doesn't say all conditions, but that's surely a general inference from the
requirements of the standard to meet all conditions.
Q. Well an inference is fine, but as per it says here the - that's located to minimise entry of
combustion products and to minimise the effects of adverse draft et cetera. So those - if
there's no fumes entering those two locations that we've been talking about, then
they're actually compliant with the mandatory part of the NZS 5261?
A. I don't have any knowledge of whether products of combustion are in fact entering or
not. I have not carried out any tests to demonstrate. I am unaware of any tests that
have been carried out to demonstrate that.
MR PARKER:
Well I think we have reached the point where we are having submissions, so I think we can
adjourn now.
Page 132 of 137
MR BICKERS
Q. Mr. Hammond, I'm sorry I'm just thinking about what Mr. Gordon had put, under what
circumstances does 1.5.7 take precedence over 1.6.2? And 1.6.2 which is the
manufacturer's instructions, which in turn is table 16, so what would be necessary to say
that you've complied with 1.5.7 and you can override 1.6.2?
A. If the manufacturer had carried out some tests and designed a particular appliance in a
particular fashion that he felt that it could be put closer to some other part of the
building or whatever, then presumably he would provide that information to the
gasfitters so they could see that it was appropriate to do so other than was specified in
the means of complying.
MS INESON
Q. Supplementary on that, so does that mean on page 101, is that the point of number 6?
A. Sorry?
Q. In page 101 is that the point of note 6 at the bottom of the page?
A. Yes, that note is there specifically for.
Q. To describe what you've just described?
A. Yeah.
(Witness excused)
14. 153 As can be seen the Investigator didn’t have any knowledge of whether products of
combustion were in fact entering the building or not. He had not carried out any
tests to demonstrate they were. He was unaware of any tests that had been carried
out to demonstrate that. His job was to prove the offence and part of that offence
was non compliance but yet he just admitted he didn’t know if the installation was
complaint or not.
14. 154 It is quite disturbing that the hearing was abruptly cut short at this stage by the
Presiding Member Mr. Parker.
14. 155 Note 6 that Ms Ineson referred to stated:
(6) Some gas appliances may be suitable for closer installation, refer to
manufacturer’s instructions.
14. 156 British Standards state 300mm based on the manufactures instructions but they
were not referred to in the hearing. Needless to say the installation was safe and
had been demonstrated by Mr. Gee to be safe. The Investigator did not prove that
it was unsafe. Mr. Gee was found guilty of installing the unit closer that 1500mm
based on the manufactures instructions which were based on the NZS 5261:2003.
Page 133 of 137
14. 157 It must be remembered that the Legal advisor stated the Burdon of proof is on the
investigator and Mr. Gee doesn’t need to prove anything.


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